These packs are all but brand-new, except for an identical alteration on both. 

The lower nylon straps, which were responsible for attaching the pack to an Alice frame, have been removed. Without them, you will not be able to attach this set up to a traditional Alice frame. Otherwise, the packs can be used as normal shoulder rucksacks. Shoulder straps are not included, although if you did purchase some elsewhere, the D rings and anchor points on the top and bottom, are strong and in their original condition.